Welcome to another episode of the Conscious Design Podcast and today Ian welcomes Andrew Gaines. He introduces himself briefly and provides a short background of what he does. Andrew then by using an illustration talks about the current system we have and what needs to change. Andrew then talks more about the need for culture to change, in order for progress to be ready and we can move to a greener future. Andrew and Ian both talk about how efficiency is the key to progressing and making people believe in the sustainable goal. Ian and Andrew also both agree that it is mainly a mindset thing of how people perceive the problem. In the guest outro Andrew shares some parting words and where you can find him.